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  1. I've been using a Windows 8 desktop machine as a Media Center for a number of years (It used to be an XP machine, then a 7, now 8) that has been overhauled several times. It's storage has grown as needed and kind of organically. It ends up being a bit of a NAS as I have it configured with WOL and VPN for access remotely. This configuration gives me a balance of convenience and power consumption. Currently it's running a medium capacity SSD as the OS / primary drive, an internal mechanical, then a disaster of too many external drives (some using storage spaces for convenience but not in any sort of redundancy). Some are getting old enough that I'm starting to not trust their remaining life. This has to end. There isn't convenient room in the case to add more drives (Antec Fusion 430, brushed aluminum front and fits nicely in my Home Theater tower). It's been cut and chopped internally for various size motherboards running almost silently with a massive cooler master passive cooler and over spec'd EVGA modular power supply (so it doesn't run the fans). So storage external to the case is almost a necessity. I've been researching and investigating a number options and could use a suggestion of which way to go. I could create another server, I don't want to do that External Raid case, I get the impression these aren't great but that could be wrong. Filling a five drive case with 4tb drives seems ok. Pair up two 8tb archive drives and keep two copies of everything (maybe still with storage spaces for convenience). The price of this seems comparable to option 2 but simpler. They could go in one of the external enclosures that isn't RAID. Is there something else that I should be considering along the same ideas that I've been doing? Is this out to lunch and just wrong?
  2. Hi All - So I'm having some issues with one of my Windows Server 2012 R2 machines - I decide to try out the Storage Spaces in the O/S and found it easy to setup and fairly easy to figure out the difference between pools and actual storage etc. It has been running on my server for nearly a year and is used to back up A LOT of data while I work on customers machines, ie reformats. My issue is that I have 4 x 4TB drives in a two-way mirror so 16TB total 8TB actual, my storage pool is saying I need to add more drives as my pool is too full, I have cleared out SOOOO much data but the pool doesn't think I have, is there anyway to 'jump start' storage spaces into realising I have released all that space? I have attached screenshots so you can see. Oh and I've just noticed the virtual drive showing up in Disk Management, I've seen this before but not on my machine and it was NOT there before the reboot I did about an hour ago so that doesn't have anything to do with my current issue but if anyone knows why it's doing it I'd love to know. Thank you for any wisdom you might be able to impart, I really don't want to have to take this server offline at all
  3. Hi guys, posted here once before and got some good feedback, original thread can be found here: So to recap this is the hardware I'm working with: Asus ROG Maximus X code, seagate ST8000NE0004 Enterprise Nas hdd ( IronWolf Pro )*3 Samsung MZ-V6P1T0BW 1000Gb 960 Pro So it was suggested to me to use software RAID rather than onboard hardware RAID so I haven't had much testing time but yesterday I played around with Windows 10 Storage Spaces and then with the motherboard onboard RAID and transfer rates obviously fluctuate but I feel I get better transfer rates using onboard RAID...or am I doing something wrong? Any advice or thoughts on this? Any pros and cons I need to consider regarding expanding the array or transferring it to another PC at a later stage? I'm not really too concerned about CPU utilization when writing because with an 8700K I don't feel it's a huge issue. Also the PC is more or less standalone so for the most part I'll be the only one writing to it though might be multiple devices reading from it once I populate the drives and setup Plex Media Server.
  4. Storage Spaces Calculator?

    Is there any Storage Spaces calculators out there geared towards "home" use? I've found a couple which seem to be more data center based. I'm looking to try a few different configurations with a few different drive configurations and redundancy (mirror vs parity) options to see what I'd come out with without having to actually configure the drives.
  5. I hit the 16TB limit of the default 4Kb allocation unit size with my Windows Storage Spaces last night. The problem is, I cannot find any way in the Storage Spaces Management GUI to specify an allocation unit size. I recreated the storage spaces using the automated wizard and they are now using 8Kb but I would like to manually set them to 16Kb to avoid running into this issue in the near future. I've searched but cannot seem to find a clear tutorial for doing so. I assume this is going to require some usage of PowerShell? Can it be done through the Disk Management utility instead?
  6. Win10 Storage Spaces Question

    Silly, potentially simple questions: I have two 5 TB drives running in two-way mirror configuration using Windows Storage Spaces (aka software RAID 1). If I added a third drive, is it possible to get a RAID 5 equivalent using WSS? I need more space but I don't want to give up the redundancy. If it's possible, would I need to break the two-way mirror, or could WSS transition directly from software RAID 1 to something different? Finally, does WSS care about using different size drives? Ex, could I get a 6 TB drive instead of a 5 TB?
  7. So a drive in my drive pool became marked as disconnected (pictured below as the Hitachi 120GB), and my storage space became locked down earlier today. The drive did not appear in device manager of this machine, nor on another machine with windows 7, however was visible in the bios of both motherboards. Since then I've thrown a 2TB Barracuda (pictured below as Something Borrowed) into the same port as the Hitachi, with the intention of Storage Spaces rebuilding itself. When trying to remove the Hitachi from the pool, windows says it cannot, after the first attempt at doing this, Windows marked the drive as retired, instead of disconnected. this is odd, because there is more than enough capacity, especially with the additional 2TB drive that I thought would replace the 120GB drive The motherboard only has 8 sata ports, including the one being used for the OS disk, and I don't really intend on buying a controller card for a while. Any ideas on how I can get the storage space back up??
  8. Hi! I want to get people's opinion on how to proceed. At the moment, I've only got a 512gb m.2 nvme drive in my PC, and I'm looking for something to store game installs on that will have more space but not be grindingly slow. Now, I've been weighing two options: A) 2 HDDs in a simple Windows 10 Storage Space - This option has the marked benefit of being *cheap as hell*. I can pick up 2 1gb barracudas for like $120 and have a 2tb space. Another upside to this plan is the simple/striped setup should make up for (some) of the speed disadvantage that comes with mechanical HDDs. But that's one of my main questions - does anyone here have experience with a configuration like this? Because if the speed improvement isn't really noticeable then it makes this plan considerably less appealing. or B) Just getting an SSD. The same $120 from Plan A would buy me a lower-end 256gb SSD at the moment, and that's so, so much less storage but it's obviously going to be much faster, but it almost feels wasteful compared to Plan A, especially considering I've already got the solid state boot drive taken care of and game installs are friggin huge. I know that option C would be "stop being poor" but that one isn't on the table, unfortunately. Anyway, if anyone has experience with mechanical drives in simple storage spaces, I'd welcome any insight you might have to share! Also, I just realized I can attach a poll to this as well, so I'm doing that since it's more low-effort than having to type out a response.
  9. So I am using a PC with a Core i5 4th gen and the onboard Intel gigabit nic. In Windows 10, I am using Microsoft storage spaces because you cannot stripe disks in Windows 10. This is ran on a 54000rpm Sata3 and a 72000rpm sata 2. Then the disk is shared with the built in sharing. On the client side I have a m.2 nvme ssd and the onboard Intel Dual Band Wireless AC-8260. I copied a 4GB file windows 10 isos are handy! from the share and it was getting around 70MB/s close to the router and 40MB/s from where the laptop usually sitting.. Then I plug the laptop into a Ethernet port into the Realtek gigabit port and it copies at 112MB/s in task. Is the Ethernet speeds bottlenecked by gigabit or the HDDs? Note: I cannot test speeds very well locally on the PC because it only has HDDs no SSDs. Are these good speeds for a networked drives? If possible what can I upgrade to get better w/r speeds? I know I can upgrade the drives I might depends. Ethernet Read: https://i.imgur.com/A6fJALB.png Ethernet Write: https://i.imgur.com/lTZT4T8.png WiFi Read: https://i.imgur.com/rF5Jcss.png WiFi Write: https://i.imgur.com/IwAmkAE.png
  10. Win 8.1 Pro as NAS OS

    Fellow Techies, How do yall feel about using Win 8.1 Storage Spaces as a NAS? It will hold backups, photos, lots of docs, and a few other things. How reliable is it? If I should have to reinstall the OS can I recover the configuration and data? Thanks. I will probably use 8 drives total for storage.
  11. My next Plex server build

    I'm hoping to get some help and/or ideas when it comes to storage servers. Right now I have my Plex server running on a dedicated Windows 10 machine. I have four WD Green 4TB drives set up in Windows Storage Spaces with redundancy. I also use my Storage Pool for data/document storage, not just media storage. I'm thinking about building a new Plex server in the next year or so, and I'm trying to come up with ideas for what would be the best fit for me. I watched this guy video; Dual Xeon 60TB Dedicated Plex Media Server - Meet Zeus ... and while it was impressive, I don't think I'll need something that bad ass! After that I found this thread; FreeNas Vs Unraid 6 in Linus's forum here, it was helpful! I guess to show what a newbie I am, my main question is; why/how is it better to use something like freeNAS, unRAID, NAS4free, or (fill in the blank) versus Windows 10 and Storage Spaces? Some have told me just to go with a QNap or Synology box ... but I guess I just like the idea of being able to customize the hardware??? Any thoughts on this one???? Thanks for all of your help and advice!!!!!
  12. I am attempting to create a tiered storage with Storage Spaces on Windows 10. I have a spare SSD 256GB and Spare 1TB HDD. I would like to create a tiered storage with those two drives so "hot" data gets stored on the SSD and "cold" data gets stored on the HDD. I am using windows 10 so unfortunately I can't use the GUI to create this as it is unsupported. So to the powershell I go. I have never setup Storage Spaces before so hopefully it is just a dumb mistake I am making. I have been following two instructions on how to do this and so far I have gotten stuck at the same spot https://diywhitebox.com/how-to-configure-tiered-storage-spaces-on-windows-10/ https://forums.bit-tech.net/index.php?threads/howto-guide-storage-spaces-tiering-in-windows-10.336785/ I am getting stuck at the second to last step on the DiyWhiteBox. Get-StoragePool Pool | New-VirtualDisk -FriendlyName Space -ResiliencySettingName Mirror –StorageTiers $SSD, $HDD -StorageTierSizes 400GB, 900GB -WriteCacheSize 10GB Obviously my command is a little different as I am dealing with a smaller SSD looks like this Get-StoragePool Pool | New-VirtualDisk -FriendlyName Space -ResiliencySettingName Mirror –StorageTiers $SSD, $HDD -StorageTierSizes 200GB, 900GB -WriteCacheSize 10GB But I keep getting this error. I think it is because for some reason $SSD and $HDD doesn't have any space (Sorry looks like the formatting got a bit screwed up. But you get the idea 0 space) Any ideas what I am doing wrong? I have also deleted all of my pools and tried the other instructions, I had to modify it a bit to fit my needs but I am getting stuck at basically the same spot. Edit I found one issue with my command Edit I typed that command wrong it should be Simple not Mirror Get-StoragePool Pool | New-VirtualDisk -FriendlyName Space -ResiliencySettingName Simple –StorageTiers $SSD, $HDD -StorageTierSizes 200GB, 900GB -WriteCacheSize 10GB But still didn't work, now I get a different error. I don't think I have any null elements I checked on the $SSD and $HDD and they both are not null.
  13. EDIT Jan 8 2018: The plan has changed quite a bit, so read my replies on the 31st Dec and 8th Jan to see the current state of my progress on deciding. The OP post had had some edits to allow a better picture of my situation. This is a copy (with edits) of my old thread that got no responses, likely as it was in the wrong subforum. So for a new gaming build I'm considering, I'd like to have a lot of storage as it'll also be used for some minor content creation as well as storing my media (and serve it to others via SMB and DLNA) - this pc truly will be used for anything I require of a pc. It will not be an always-on server; it'll only be on when being used directly, or when required to serve content. The issue I have is storage of the aforementioned games, media and created content. I already have 9TB across 4 drives in my current rig without any sort of RAID or backup, and all of them are getting old and full, worryingly so on both counts. The size of this has pretty much prohibited me from making backups which is why the age worries me, as I'm expecting one or more drives to die soon. 8TB of this - comprised of a single 2TB and two 3TB as separate drives in windows - is dedicated to my media collection, this is the important bit I need to protect. The 1TB with my data and games is a lower priority as my important data is on Dropbox and Google Drive, and my game data is in the steam cloud where possible and re-downloading games isn't an issue. I would like at least 20TB in my new rig, with some protection from drive failure. My original plan was to grab 5x 5TB drives and RAID5 them on my motherboard controller, this was ditched when I realised that onboard controllers are usually crap. I need some protection in case of drive failure, but I can't afford to do any backups or mirroring with this amount of storage (a future plan, but not at the outset). So RAID5 seems to be the best answer I can come up with for now. Not true anymore, I've checked prices and mirroring is a valid option. So my question is: How should I do this? Is what I'm hearing about onboard controllers bunk? I honestly expect the answer to this to be "You hear correctly. They are indeed crap" Should I get a RAID card, and if so which one? Ones I'm looking at are pricey, require SAS-SATA cables, don't support the required RAID modes, or say that they are server motherboard compatible only - or even a combination of those. I care the least about the SAS-SATA bit and can afford to spend a bit if need be, but RAID 1, 10 or 5/6 and gaming motherboard compatibility is mandatory. If a model of motherboard is needed, my new board is the Asus ROG MAXIMUS X HERO. I'm also hearing of battery backups for RAID cards, why are these needed, and how much extra are they? Software RAID, will it hurt my performance if my game files are in the RAID? Anything I should know about Software RAID in general? This is unknown territory for me. I've stayed well away from the Disk manager if I can avoid it, and wouldn't know how to do this in windows without looking it up. But I'm hearing conflicting whispers about software raid and its performance, as well as the impact on the rest of the PC, so I'd like this straightened out, or links to an article about this. I am looking into Storage Spaces in Win 10 Am I overthinking this and there is another path I can take? I am not keen on the idea of an external USB enclosure or a NAS enclosure but will hear Pros-Cons in comparisons to the options I'm already considering. Bear in mind that NAS isn't ideal as I'm not at Gigabit at all points in my network and the hope was this will store more than just the SMB and DLNA served content. When answering assume the following facts: I run windows, and am not comfortable enough with Linux to experiment with this kind of thing. I currently have around 7-8TB of media. My internet upstream isn't suitable to upload multi-terabyte amounts of data offsite. My home network is gigabit in the same room as the PC, but is megabit elsewhere in the house.
  14. Ok i will start off by explaining the situation, Im a serious media junky/photographer/Videographer who keeps all his raws on Archive and want to add a layer of protection in instead of just using cold storage. I have a Large scale Plex library that i need Parity to give some fail over safety. Not got matching drives so rules Raid out in the normal sense. Currently running around 14TB of Media from 2x 8TB WD Golds with 44TB potentially available. Looked into FlexRaid, ZFS, UnRaid, Raid 1-5 as an option but haven't been able to settle on a hard decision. Windows Storage spaces certainly looks interesting, Next to no press coverage about it, Appears to have ability to add SSD's as a write cache and read speeds i would imagine would be absolutely fine as far as Plex goes on the network but not sure. I Cant justify a full custom server atm so need to make do with hot swap bays and my Lian Li Cube with Icydock hotswap drives (4x http://icydock.com/goods.php?id=157) and a 6x bay 2.5" enclosure (http://icydock.com/goods.php?id=151) If anybody has any good ideas as far as what would be best to maximise performance given my situation. For not my Drives are as follows: 2x 8TB WD Gold Enterprise 2x 6TB Seagate Enterprise 2x 4TB WD SE 2x 4TB WD Green 5x 2TB WD Green (currently in a drobo but can be transferred and made usable) Totally open to any advice given! Thanks!
  15. I attached 3 x 10 TB WD Red HDDs. I configured them as parity, since I have less than 7 then it was single parity. In 2 weeks I will add 4 x 8 TB WD Red HDDs bringing the total to 7, so in that case I am able to use dual parity...correct? Can I re-configure my system to use dual parity instead of single parity w/o data loss or am I forced to back up my data and re-build my storage pool from the start? Thnx
  16. It doesn't matter how many times or in what ways I install windows 10, it still takes ages to boot up. You can see the specs on my user page It skips the post pretty quickly, then a black screen for a sec, then a flashing underscore "_" for half a second, and finally the windows logo and the spinning dots. This takes about 30-40 seconds. The SSD is a brand new Samsung EVO 750. I have done my best to ensure fast boot times in the bios, but it seems it is an issue with windows it self. It's just strange because my other SSD drive also has win10 installed but the spinning dots barely make a full rotation before it logs in. I have used the media creation tool on a flash drive to install win10 with, both from boot and within windows where it downloaded the latest updates. Still no luck. I've checked the event log and there were a ton of app errors during boot, so I removed all of the built-in apps with one command line in powershell and the errors disappeared. The boot time remained unchanged though. Please help.
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